3:25 PM 02/08/2013
Now this is really sad ...
it looks like I have to remove my beautiful parlor door and replace it with an ugly 90 Minute fire rated door with a peephole.
This is a new C of O 3 family - the door is part of Garden/Parlor Duplex. The main entrance of the Duplex is under the stoop.
I would be OK with encasing this door from the hallway, closing it off, using just the under-stoop entrance to enter the apartment. But I was told that a door is required by code to the common hallway for egress.
Did anyone run into this problem? I would really hate to see the door go and look at a metal FPSC Door.
Here's what I would do if you can't get around it. Have your carpenter build a squared off top to that opening and whatever else is necessary to installl the fire rated door(s) without damaging the original casing. Get it inspected and signed off on and then tear it all out, replacing the original.
3:42 PM 02/08/2013 | -1 Votes
I really like Dave's solution but, since you write that you "would be OK with encasing this door from the hallway" maybe you could build out legal fire-rated doors on the outside of the old doors. Then you could either enter through a double layer of doors (probably a real PITA) or remove the fire-rated doors after inspection and store them away, to re-install should you have any future work done that requires another inspection.
4:29 PM 02/08/2013 | 0 Votes
excellent, these are great ideas. Building a wall outside the door and placing there door into it seems like the best solution to keep all options on the table.
4:45 PM 02/08/2013 | 0 Votes
And then remove the exterior door and wall unless you really don't use this as an entrance and just want it to look nice from the inside.
5:08 PM 02/08/2013 | 0 Votes
lets step back a second. this is a three family. that means tenants, lots of liability, and insurance companies that love to leave policyholders high and dry when it comes to gross negligence, willful misconduct. A quick search will reveal slick personal injury website:
"the landlord might be liable in a negligence or wrongful death case. The landlord may be responsible if he failed to warn about dangerous conditions in the apartment, failed to maintain safe conditions in the rental, or failed to follow laws governing building safety.". B-I-N-G-O. and now you've left evidence for those who know how to find it.
it only matters when you are extremely vulnerable. don't mess around with tenants. they or their loved ones will not hesitate to take verything you have when the ambulance chasers come with a massive lottery ticket.
really poor fire conditions are the luxury of the rich single family dwellers who can't sue themselves.
10:08 PM 02/08/2013 | 0 Votes
for starters you cant put a fire rated door in an existing wood frame, its the whole assembly thats rated, you have to rate the wall someone, has to sign off on all of this,
3:08 AM 02/09/2013 | 0 Votes
Thanks for all the valuable input.
The solution would be to encase the existing door arch from outside doubling up the wall, and placing the fire rated door into the newly created wall. And not take it out ....
Like that al least the looks from the interior will be preserved.
7:16 AM 02/09/2013 | 0 Votes
If those doors are part of the legal means of egress from the apartment, then doubling up the doors will not meet code for a couple of reasons, and it will be flagged on the C of O inspection. On a practical note, if you're planning to use that door regularly, it will be a pain to have to deal with 2 layers of doors, and my guess is you'll have trouble with the door hardware clearance where the knob/lever of one door will hit the knob/lever of the other when they're both closed.
You can get fire rated wooden doors. I've used a place in Greenpoint, Simply Elegant (718-389-6360) that makes them. These would need a straight head, and do need to have a metal frame. But you can pad out the steel frame w/ wood trim to recreate the look feel of the original, and can add mouldings to the door faces to recreate the panels on the original. You'll also need a closer on the fire rated door - they make models that are completely concealed when the door is closed.
Good Luck with the renovation!
James Cleary Architecture
9:51 AM 02/10/2013 | 0 Votes