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Downtown Brooklyn Is Next:

6:10 PM 02/26/2013

 

Very quietly, the price of muni meters was almost doubled in Manhattan south of 96th St as of late last month to $3.50 an hour for the privilege of being exposed to the elements, vandalism, bumper crushing parkers and the parking enforcement stormtroopers that swarm the streets like a plague. The authorities continue to make NYC a tougher place to conduct business and live a decent life if you're cursed with a middle-class income. Brooklyn is next amigos......

 

 

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    When I need to park at a hardware store for 15 minutes, .50, or 1.00, or even more, seems reasonable if it gets your big, empty SUV and your needlessly shiny bumpers out of my way.

    7:41 AM 02/27/2013 | 0 Votes

     

     

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    • Why is there always so much hate directed at SUV owners? It's a free country. If you don't want one or can't afford one, just let it go. They make a lot of sense and a lot of people (myself included) could care less what mileage they get.

      7:49 AM 02/27/2013

          
    • Recently, my insurance company paid $600 for a scratched bumper on a Lexus SUV. I paid $400 for a new fender out of my pocket. Had the bumpers (so-named for their function) aligned, I would not have had this expense. I am more careful about parking these days, or what I charge for work in congested areas.

      8:21 AM 02/27/2013

          
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    Mine is a Subaru Legacy.  It is not as tall as an SUV, but it is long, gets lousy gas milage and has plenty of cargo space.  I use it to carry equipment and supplies.  Yet, if I don't have to climb the hill, or a bridge, I tow a trailer behind my mountain bike.  Parking problems are costing home owners in congested areas.  Way more home improvement workers drive and seek to park near their job sites than is considered by DOT studies.  When we get there, we find the streets clogged by vehicles that don't go anywhere or carry anything, except occasionaly on weekends.  I am glad to see the SUV fad is fading. 

    8:13 AM 02/27/2013 | 0 Votes

     

     

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    • I thought they got good gas mileage. I thought that's why all you tree huggers bought them. Nothing worse than being on the highway with a slow moving Subaru (with all sorts of Democrat bumper stickers) in the fast lane. Always happens when I want to pass at 80 or so.

      8:17 AM 02/27/2013

          
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    IN NY, where space is such a premium, huge SUVs represent a waste of that space to some of our, maybe, more independent-minded neighbors who appreciate a city where such vehicles are unnecessary. There is also the preconception about their owners, which is kinda funny to me (and possibly supported through scientific studies), that such huge, glossy vehicles exist as the subconscious desire by their owners to inflate their self-worth (and, possibly, some other of their anatomical features).

    8:18 AM 02/27/2013 | -1 Votes

     

     

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    • Or they just want the 4WD and the cargo space and can afford them. This sort of armchair psycology of why people own SUVs is good for The View and whatever else you are watching on TV to form your opinions :)

      8:20 AM 02/27/2013

          
    • They are also a lot safer for when someone hits them because they've lost control of their minds due to the inferiority complex of owning a wimpy little car :)

      8:24 AM 02/27/2013

          
    • Heehhehhehee.....Dave, I think you may be confusing "some" SUV owners with "all" SUV owners - or "some" SUV owners with yourself! :) I wouldn't take these comments seriously, anyway. Other peoples' opinions can cause anxiety or a needless raise in blood pressure.

      8:35 AM 02/27/2013

          
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    Blood pressure!!! High blood pressure??? What high blood pressure?!?!?!
    Brownstoners raising families in small apartments might like to use their SUV's as personal space, to get away from the cramped quarters.  I would't call this unnecassary, just characteristic of the have and have-not gap.
    I got to go find parking near the shower stall I am working in today.  Stay calm.............

     
     

    8:51 AM 02/27/2013 | 0 Votes

     

     

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    • I will try, greenmountain - but I am nervous that you won't find a spot.

      10:16 AM 02/27/2013

          
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    You're complaining that they're raising the price of parking, but it's already a massively underpriced resource. If they priced it correctly (that is, at the market clearing rate), then there would always be a spot available on every block. Instead they underprice it and then try to make up for that by imposing an arbitrary time limit on each space.
    Parking is not an inviolable right. NYC is the densest city in the US, and space is a huge premium - and it should be priced accordingly. It's also not some marker of the middle class; most of this city is both walkable and transit accessible, and you don't need a car. A car is a luxury.
    If you treasure your parking that much, then either rent a garage spot, or move to the suburbs. You'll get no sympathy by whining about how the city is no longer subsidizing your car-oriented lifestyle.

    10:08 AM 02/27/2013 | 0 Votes

     

     

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    • There are plenty of tradesman, salesman, handymen, contractors, repairman, technicians that need a car to make a living. Just because you may be sitting at home or in an office somewhere doesn't mean that there aren't thousands of people that service you and that require a car to lug around tools, samples, supplies etc. Your elitist attitude that nobody could possible need a car in the city is absurd. I want to see your plumber show up on a bicycle in 20 degree weather next time, or your painter lugging 5 gallons of paint and his tools on the subway during rush hour. Nice!

      2:56 PM 02/27/2013

          
    • How does keeping the price low help those tradesmen? All that does is make it harder to find parking. Raise the price to its market rate and they'll always be able to find a spot on every block. Yes, they will have to pay more for parking, but all tradesmen will have to pay it equally, so those costs will end up getting passed on to consumers in the form of higher prices. If consumers don't like that, then the city can pass an exemption for commercial vehicles (or something equivalent). The alternative is that they have to pay someone to stay with the vehicle, and that arguably raises costs even more.Also, it's not elitist to say that most people don't need a car. The *majority* of NYC households (55%) do not own a car, so it's just a fact.

      4:39 PM 02/27/2013

          
    • Let's be honest here. NYC is not raising the cost of muni-meters to better ration the spots and make it easier for those who "really" need to park. That's the same bogus excuse we heard when NYC went to metered water billing. It was to save water. No, it was an excuse to raise rates, another revenue enhancer. Anyone who thought about this knew it because probably 75% of the actual units in NYC are unmetered and landlords, co-ops and condos have no control over how much water the occupants use. Now that you mention it, subways are crowded. With your logic, let's raise the fare to $15 so subway ridership will thin out and I can get a seat. I also hate waiting on lines for the bus. Let's raise that to $25 so I can have the bus to myself.

      5:57 PM 02/27/2013

          
    • Parking is different from mass transit because it's a scarce and limited resource. If subways and buses are crowded, then MTA can run more trains and buses, and the system benefits from economies of scale. Parking doesn't work like that. As more and people try to park, it just becomes scarce and more valuable, as you can't just add more street parking. The economics are totally different. And that's precisely the point; it's strictly limited, so you want to price it accordingly.

      6:04 PM 02/27/2013

          
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    I'm sorry, but are we talking about the same thing?  The muni-meters on the streets I frequent in Manhattan are limited to COMMERCIAL vehicles during the day, and thus are not about RESIDENTS keeping cars parked on the street - they are about the parking problems of service providers and workers, who use vehicles to get from job-to-job and bring needed materials and tools with them.  These are two different conversations.

    11:01 AM 02/27/2013 | 0 Votes

     

     

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    • Muni meters are not all limited to commercial vehicles. In some neighborhoods yes, in some, there's no such thing.

      2:58 PM 02/27/2013

          
    • oops...guess I always try to park on commercial streeets. but then, I do avoid trying to park in Manhattan, due to muni meters, except in the west village...

      3:29 PM 02/27/2013

          
    • The DOT takes this position when ever I attend a meeting. Commercial plates on commercial vehicles and signs indicating where parking is reserved for them. I keep trying to tell them they don't know how many private vehicles are used for commercial activity. I don't know many home improvement workers who can afford insurance on a commercial vehicle, so we are pushed off these streets just like other private car owners, even if we are there to pick up or unload.

      6:10 PM 02/27/2013

          
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    A couple of years ago, some asshat in an SUV parked on top of my car.  I guess he couldn't find a sopt so he made one by using the "air rights" above the hood of my car. 

    12:06 PM 02/27/2013 | 0 Votes

     

     

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    • I was sitting in line behind one at a light who decided to back up to do a U-turn or something - he backed into me. Got out of his big thing, and his excuse was the car I was in was so small he didn't see it, indignant, like it was my fault. Mazda3 hatchback, not exactly invisible it you LOOK behind you.

      3:28 PM 02/27/2013

          
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    So... this went from a muni-meter discussion to an SUV hate fest, to commercial parking issues, and back to suv hate?  The internet is awesome.
    a few comments:   muni meter pricing has already gone up in many areas in brooklyn - mostly shopping avenues.  Every so often you hear about a new outrage over munimters being put in place for the first 100 feet or so of the side streets surrounding these blocks, even though the sidestreets are very clearly residential.  Also, on any given day, i'll literally see 3-5 vultures (meter maid cops) hovering the same few blocks.  Really?  Do we really need to pay 3-5 salaries for this?
    re: subarus :D  dave - i enjoy the hell out of my heavily modified wrx, and it gets far worse gas mileage than even my jeep.  While i do believe in treading lightly, it's not just lesbians and tree huggers who drive subarus. No need for me to go into a fanboy paragraph, but i appreciate their vehicles, and not just the fast ones, lol.
    re: suv's  - i have a Jeep (not "a jeep") .  It's not new. it's not shiny. It's got a big old iron 6 liter v8, and it's lifted with big mud tires, and pre-dates the term "suv" (they were called ORV's back when) - and i've never accidentally driven over a smaller vehicle due to not seeing it lol. (i find i'm one of the few drivers who still actually turns around when backing up) - and yet i get lumped in with people driving their excursions, yukon denali XXL, or whatever,  and other family haulers (even when no family is present) - in my case, people tend not to park too close because looking at it, it seems like to do so might be painful.   It's filthy with mud, has a winch and the associated guard, and has exposed recovery points front and rear.  I would also never ask compensation if you damage my truck while parking, because frankly.. if you CAN damage the hulk, just by parking..  i'm probably going to want to buy you a beer, and talk shop. Anyway - while i never feel the need to justify owning it, i use it to kick winter's ass (minor celebirty with the local precinct during the blizzard a couple of years ago, when half their vans were stuck, and i was snatching them out as easily as a prius exiting a driveway on a spring morning.) I also enjoy hunting, fishing, and relaxing on my property upstate, which very few vehicles would be able to access unless prepared similarly.  I also use it for work related hauls and tows, and all my pals who tease me about owning the "earth raper" as they call it, shut up real quick when there's a foot or more of snow on the ground and they need a favor. Unfortunately, most sport utility vehicles lack both the sport and utility that they hint at... and as such are just tall station wagons driven by solitary drivers. My sub-compact/ wifemobile commuter gets 37-40mpg depending on the season, so i like to think it balances out.
    greenmt - I use 2 of my vehicles for business (not concurrently, lol) - and ran into the same issues as you. For a few years, while my business was largely on-site visit based,  I caved, and bought into the dmv/ dot's frequent flyer ticket program. I noticed in my statements that most of the fines are actually discounted, and roughly half (or a little less) are dismissed altogether.  ie:  of 20 tickets in a given month, i'll only get charged on 8-10 of them. Anyway - any leftover balance at the end of the year, you can apply to the following year's pre-payment.  In this way, it's at least a predictable business expense, and you'd be surprised at how much of the stress it removes.  I haven't been on this program for the past few years, so hopefully it's still around.  I forget exactly what it's called, but it was a pre-paid violations program, and the application went through the dmv.  Mainly geared towards commercial vehicles, but that doesn't mean commercial plates.  The cars in question were registered to my LLC, and as such, were eligible.  Insurance rates were no different than the same vehicles insured privately, for me at least.  Multiple drivers or whatnot might ultimately affect that.

    6:57 AM 02/28/2013 | 0 Votes

     

     

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    • Just tried unsuccessfully to get info on that pre-paid violations program you mentioned and couldn't find anything. If anyone knows, kindly post. Thanks!

      8:46 AM 02/28/2013

          
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    Found it:  http://www.nyc.gov/html/dof/ht...
    It's called the stipulated fine program, but seems a little different from when i was enrolled.  I was never enrolled in the fleet program for instance, or perhaps they were one and the same.. i simply submitted one application, and they put me in the appropriate program.  The details at the link are light, so i don't know if they've imposed any new limits, such as commercial plates only... but it's worth a look.   It really did remove my stress levels, even though the cost was obviously more than simply finding legitimate parking  (but perhaps not when you factor in the cost of stress, plus broken down, an hourly wage and the time wasted looking for such parking)  - My favorite spots were school zone spots.  It's a no-tow violation, and were almost always dismissed or heavily reduced. Expired meter spots were also a high ratio of dismissals. (hydrants were a low ratio of dismissal, but were always discounted.  Be aware though, a hydrant violation is a potential tow, although i never was.)

    8:13 PM 02/28/2013 | 0 Votes

     

     

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    • Thanks crapp. I'll look into it....

      9:20 PM 02/28/2013

          

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